The Force Awakens: TRAILER #3

[Tuskin]

I'm suspicious that everything we've seen, or a lot of it, because we know the New Republic existed at some point after TotJ and Jakku is basically a graveyard for a big chunk of the Imperial Fleet after NR forces handed them a straight up arse kicking.

Yet JJ tells us in Episode 7 we will have the "Resistance".

So for the books and films to be so far apart would be quite extraordinary, and even more so given that Admiral Ackbar is still alive.

We might all sit down in theatres in a week to discover it's NOTHING like we expected from the trailers.

The Resistance might be a group being funded by the NR to fight against TFO

One of the new source books came out with a new map of the galaxy, it uses basically the same layout as the old EU, and the planets are in the same places as well.

https://i.imgur.com/aX9MTH0.png

It doesn't have every planet in the new Canon, it was simplified for the book because it wasn't the focus.
Rakata Prime is also on there strangely enough, last I heard SWTOR/KOTOR is still in limbo. They get approval from LucasFilm but they keep saying they're not canon, LucasFilm doesn't really care because they're so far in the past.

[Vince T]

Interesting fact: If you lay an "old" starmap over this one, the planet of this starkiller base is at almost exactly the same Location as Illum, origin of the crystals used in lightsabers .....

[Tuskin]

Ilum was in Clone Wars, so it is still canon. Probably just in the same sector.

Though you never know, it could be Ilum, the super weapon might be powered by all the crystals.

[BattleDog]

Rakata Prime, Onderon, Nal Hutta, the majority of those planets are EU, actually.

I think what we'll see once this new film is out in a week is the publication of a number of source books and novels etc. which will rapidly establish a new backstory based largely on parts of the old EU which has been re-tooled to bit the films and each other better.

We haven't seen much yet because they want the film to come out first.

[Vince T]

Sounds reasonable to me. According to JJ the decision to ignore the current EU for the script was utter lack of time, as it would have taken the original author Michael Arndt far more time to familiarize with 30 years of SW lore than he had been given.

The other reason was that despite the community of dedicated fans (those of us who read the books & comics etc.) is yet only a fraction of the total number of star Wars enthusiasts and general movie goers. Tying it deeply within the existing lore would likely overwhelm those non-familiar with the canon lore and make the film more of a nice product rather than the worldwide recordbreaking blockbuster it's supposed to become.

[BattleDog]

We were talking about this today after D&D and I think that, honestly, the reason they ditched the Old EU is that it would have made a pretty poor film.

Unless you blank out part of the EU so that the films will make sense - but where to star then? Before the Vong, just after?

In the EU as of Legacy of the Force Han and Leia have three kids, two are dead and their daughter has married the leader of the Empire. Meanwhile, Luke is a widower with a teenaged son.

The ideal point to cut back to would be before the Thrawn Trilogy, when the Empire was still a great power in the galaxy and a credible threat. That's basically what they've done but they''ve inserted a 30-year cold war to allow the characters to be the same age as the actors.

Even so, I imagine we'll see the 30-year interval fleshed out in a way that integrates a lot of the old EU.

[Vince T]

Yeah agreed, that sounds plausible.

Of course, the ultra-hardcore fans and hardliners are gonna bitch either way

[BattleDog]

LESS THAN 23 HOURS!

Oh, God, I can't cope at all.

[Vince T]

LESS THAN 23 HOURS!

Oh, God, I can't cope at all.

Same.
Some colleagues of mine saw it already and they were totally blown away. Two independant sources whom I know both claimed it to be the best of the 7 .... tall order. Doesn't make the wait any easier...

[Tuskin]

I'm seeing it in 3 hours

[Darksaber]

Please NO spoilers from anyone or I'll ban there ass for a week!

Quote from another franchise: Don't Make Me Angry, You Wouldn't Like Me When I'm Angry

[Vince T]

Vader is Luke's farher.
Leia is actually his sister.
And the Force, that's basically microscopic bacteria in your bloodstream.

There you have it. Plot twist spoiler! >D

[Rookie_One1]

What about the fact that YOU are Revan ?

[DTM]

I saw the movie on Wednesday , when it came out in Italian cinemas . I can say it is doing a lot to discuss . Some loved it , others hate it . I think JJ should have done something different .

[Vince T]

Alright I've seen it. I'm still trying to sort out my feelings and impressions. There are definitely a few things one can argue about, but one thing that I know for sure is that it felt strange and familiar from the beginning, something which the prequels had never managed to accomplish. It's like if you meed a dear childhood friend for the first time after 20 years - you both have greatly changed and yet discover that there are some unshakable familiarities, as if you had never been apart.This was Star Wars.

My pals and I agreed that we'll need to see it a second time for a final verdict but that alone is something none of the other films have ever achieved.

[The Saxman]

This is a case where, after thinking over what I saw, I feel the similarities are actually a POSITIVE, and it's entirely because the formula followed by the original film, and thus Episode VII, is a formula that's integral to human mythology. Thus why the original Star Wars resonates so deeply and has become such a cultural phenomenon. Myth has always been an incredibly important, central aspect of Star Wars, and every generation has its own views on the same mythology, making it cyclic in nature.

That's one of the things I think Lucas lost sight of with the Prequels.

[Vince T]

Yeah, agreed. In the Prequels the Jedi soon lost their wow-factor firstly due to their utter omnipresence robbing themselves of anything special. It kinda felt like "Alright so hhere's a bunch of guys with super powers and the apparent gift of foresight who are yet oblivious to how they are being played and tricked."

Now with EP7 the whole thing, like you say, regained this mystical aspect, making force sensitive people something special not to be taken for granted. Corners of the galaxy where people don't even know the Force exists, which makes the whole scenario alot more interesting. Above that the film is littered with hommages to the old traits and even some nods back to the abolished EU or early concepts, which I found greatly pleasing.

[Jaeven]

To my surprise I thoroughly enjoyed it. The First Order is a worthy successor to the Empire, the characters were good and it looked spectacular.

I had some beefs with it (the superweapon) but other than that it was far and away better than the prequels.

[Vince T]

Something I noticed as well in the German localized version is that they made the effort to call in all the original voice actors to portray the german synchronization for the veteran actors. I was especially amazed that they even got the old sync for C-3PO, for whom they had used a totally different voice actor during the prequel era. The only exception was Admiral Ackbar whose German voice actor had passed away some time ago.

[Jaeven]

I forgot to mention it, TFA made Mag Pulses canon again.

As an XWA player, that bit made me smile.

[The Saxman]

The didn't seem to make it clear whether it was a cannon or warhead, though

[BattleDog]

I forgot to mention it, TFA made Mag Pulses canon again.

As an XWA player, that bit made me smile.

Edited by Darksaber This Contains Spoilers, Highlight the page to see the text!

I said above No Spoilers please, if anyone posts any more spoilers I won't hesitate to ban you for a week!

Battledog you got away with it this time, next time you won't be so lucky!

This post no longer contains spoilers!

I'm sorry, I got carried away.



So, anyway, I missed the Mag-Pulse thing.

[Tuskin]

Is stuff from the Cross Section book but not from the movies considered spoilers? We have info on the New TIEs and Star Destroyer in there including weapons and and a little bit technical info.

Most of the info you can find on Wookieepedia right now, but they also have spoilers up from the film.

[The Saxman]

Is stuff from the Cross Section book but not from the movies considered spoilers? We have info on the New TIEs and Star Destroyer in there including weapons and and a little bit technical info.

Most of the info you can find on Wookieepedia right now, but they also have spoilers up from the film.

Any screens/images of the X-wing's cockpit in there? My concept for the E-wing I've been working on is to "reintroduce it" into the new canon, and I'd love to use the T-70 cockpit as a basis (lore: for facilitating transition between the ships).

[Jaeven]

The didn't seem to make it clear whether it was a cannon or warhead, though

I'm fairly sure they were named as Mag Pulse warheads. Wookieepedia seems to list them as such as well.

The Cross Section book has lots of interesting stuff. Was very fascinating to read the differences between how the Empire and First Order operate in their Naval doctrine, especially their fighter corps.

So, anyway, I missed the Mag-Pulse thing.

Without going into spoilers, it's early in the movie.